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013 - Navigating AI as Creatives... An Honest Conversation

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In this episode of Say Less, your hosts Alex and Grace unpack the complex relationship between creativity, authenticity, and artificial intelligence. They explore the potential pitfalls of relying too heavily on AI tools and emphasize the importance of maintaining your human touch in an increasingly automated world, especially for creative entrepreneurs.

Key Topics Covered:

  • How AI is making everyone sound the same and what that means for creative authenticity
  • The rapid progression of AI visuals and deepfakes, and their implications for business and personal branding
  • Practical ways to use AI responsibly as a tool for efficiency, not a replacement for your unique voice
  • Why human connection and genuine storytelling are becoming a luxury in the age of AI
  • The risks of copying and pasting AI-generated content without personal input
  • Creative industry sectors most likely to be affected or transformed by AI
  • The importance of critical thinking and maintaining your emotional intelligence amidst automation
  • How to keep your branding and client interactions authentic and personalized

Remember, the core of creativity is your unique human voice. Use AI as a helpful sidekick...not the hero of your story. Blend technology with authenticity, and stay true to what makes your brand and work genuinely yours. Thanks for tuning in..until next time, keep saying what matters!

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SPEAKER_00

That aspect of like getting to be creative of let me sit and think and write and brainstorm. And it's just taking all of that away and it's making everyone sound the same. It's making everyone sound the same. So I guess my robot said it's giving.

SPEAKER_01

Like I was literally about to say that we're all just sitting in our comfy chairs floating around. When yeah, Wally's trying to get our attention. 100%. It's kind of scary. It is kind of scary. I wanted to start a podcast for creative entrepreneurs. So I asked Alex to join me and I said, say less. I'm in. Welcome to the Say Less podcast, where we actually say a lot more about motherhood, creativity, photography, business ownership, and everything in between.

SPEAKER_00

We are your hosts, Alex and Grace. And this is a space for creative women building something meaningful. Whether you're raising babies, raising your rates, or just trying to figure out your next move. We talk about all the real stuff.

SPEAKER_01

What's working, what's not, what we're unlearning when nobody tells you about building a business that has to fit inside a real life.

SPEAKER_00

The pivots, the pressure, the sustainability, and all of the seasons. If you've ever felt like you're creating in the margins of your time, your energy, or your confidence, you're not alone here. So stay less. Let's get into it. Okay, so um I'm a little nervous to talk about this specifically. I'm a little I know what we were saying. The last time we recorded, we were nervous because we were having gloomy day brain fog. But I'm nervous about this because I feel like not an expert to speak on artificial intelligence. Otherwise now, in a civilian levels AI.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And honestly, I don't feel qualified to talk about this either, but I think that's exactly why we need to have the conversation.

SPEAKER_00

We we need to start the conversation, and then I think we should circle back to it in the future as well. Oh, for sure. We need multiple conversations about it.

SPEAKER_01

I think even in just six months, things will look wildly different.

SPEAKER_00

Have you wait? Have you seen those videos of celebrities on usually I see them on Facebook, which is where my grandma and my mom fall into like the AI slop problems? But have you seen those videos of celebrities where it's then and now situation? And it'll be like and it'll be yes, and they're like hugging themselves. Is that yes? Exactly. Like Harry Connig Jr. when he was younger and older, and they're hugging their saying for and it's AI, but it looks so real. And I was watching a video on how much it's progressed. Oh yeah. Like six months ago, the same video recreated now and how far AI has come. Frightening. It's kind of frightening. It's bleeding into business.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's bleeding. Do you use threads or no? Like Instagram threads, Instagram's TikTok.

SPEAKER_01

I use it. Yeah, that's Instagram's Instagram's No, okay. Yes, Twitter, but I also think it's kind of like Instagram's TikTok in the in the sense of people just like post out the wazoo hopeful hoping something will go viral. I think that's why it's so similar to TikTok. But yes, I'm on there for more for photography than I am like my personal Instagram. Oh my gosh. I I think the first thing I posted was after I finished watching the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yeah. And I had thoughts. I had thoughts. So I posted them there, but I haven't posted since. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I posted there literally about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives in regard to Zach showing up to speak to Whitney in place Jen. Zach Affleck, if you're listening to this podcast, Rama's buddy. No, I actually posted about that too. I was like triggered by that because I have an ex-friend who always used her husband to speak in her place and trash, trash, trash. I mean, the way he spoke to women and treated women is more concerning for her than it is for me, but hated him. And he's partially honestly the main reason I'm not friends with her anymore, which whatever. But no, I use threads for that. But on threads, I was reading about how Canva is one of the greatest tools that's been given to this generation of business owners, especially small business owners with all the capabilities of it to make presentations and videos and graphics and all the things, and how business they have us use it for my ongoing school. Yeah. Yeah. So Travis using it for school. I use it for everything. I used it to make my guides, my bridal guide, my info guide. I use it to make the graphics for this podcast. I yeah literally use it for so much. You're able to. This is like not a sponsored ad by Canva, but I've been using it for years. When I started as a graphic designer, it didn't exist. And then when it came up, it's kind of like arbitrary now. I won't say if I'm trying to be a graphic designer, obviously, but I'm just saying like anyone can be one with the tool, but on threads, people were talking about. Stop making business branding choices with Chat GPT or with AI. Stop putting in words and making a flyer and in chat and instead use Canva. Like that literally is the greatest gift given to business owners, and we need to be utilizing it more and stop using AI. Right? No, I thought that's what I'm saying. I saw that on threads. Threads is my personal. Like if I could have one social media form only, I would choose Instagram and threads. One. I get to choose both because they're one.

SPEAKER_01

No, I I think like AI is kind of being incorporated into Canva now, but not in a super distasteful way. You know what I'm saying? Like you can just type in like what kind of design do you are you looking to make? And it pulls up like the templates for you, but you still have like way more creative capability than I would having to reprompt Chat GPT 50 million times in order to get what I want. And it would still probably not even look as good. But I think with sp I'm gonna sp we're I think we're specifically gonna talk about Chat GPT because it's so widely used. There's also Claude, which my husband and I have started to kind of use to just automate some workflows for us, like creating uh I don't know, just data entry things for business and some other things like that. It just it thinks longer and it gives better answers and it doesn't sound as much like ChatGPT does. I use this example on a did I use it like on a I don't remember where I used this, but Chat GPT like it's like the panty lines that we wish we didn't see. I did not make that up. I stole that and I don't even remember what the lady's name was or what she was offering, but I I did not make up that phrase. But it's so true. And the guest burrito.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, it was a girl you see me on Instagram, but you used it in our guest submission form. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah, so in Chat GPT, we should fill out our form and why you want to be on our podcast, because it's like the panty lining that one is soon, which actually a hot take for you, and I'm not kidding you. For like two years now, I've stayed on business that I don't care if I have a panty line because I want to wear my comfy panties. I'm not kidding you, and I've been telling this for years. One of my best phones in my memory, she literally will wear she'll wear like no panties with jeans. Sorry, that sounds totally too much information. I'm gonna check it out. You said her name. It's okay. She won't care about the comments. She don't take it out. She won't really care. She didn't, I'm like, don't take it out, don't take it out. Because she cares about a panty line so much. And I'm like, I want to wear my comfy cotton panties, and I don't care about a panty line. But as a business owner, I do care about a panty line. I want my no, I promise she won't care about the panty line comment. I want my professional brand to be authentic and true to me, and I don't want it to say oh this, no that, just this. That's like the current chat GPT line. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I know I moved fun of this the other day to you, but it was. And you know what? Honestly, like the word honestly overwhelming on chat GPT. And honestly, that's just honesty. That's like one they've been using so much, but no painting line is good. I'm like, any as a business owner, I don't want a painting line in my everyday life. I'd be having one. I'd be having one.

SPEAKER_01

I th another another example that this lady used, um, and I would reference it more specifically if I could. I'm sorry if if you're if you stumble upon this for whatever reason, even though I don't know you from Adam. Yeah. But she also talked about AI kind of being this gas station burrito, and we're charging, you know, if you're charging, you know, whatever the four-star, three-star Michelin restaurant prices for a gas station burrito, I don't think people are gonna be very happy. And so what are you offering in your business that's different than everybody else? And I think uh there's everybody's stuff just kind of looks the same right now. And I was redoing my website and I did use a template um from Pixie Set and the layout is beautiful. The they use very poetic language and some of the headings and little accent words and things like that, but I didn't change any of them at first. And I was like, book lever, timeless, whatever, all the all the buzzwords. And I'm like, if somebody's looking for a photographer and they go to five different websites that all say the word timeless on them, what does that even mean anymore? Like, how do you know if somebody's actually time like how do you know if that's actually and maybe that's a good, I mean, we're playing to, you know, marketing strategies as well, you know, the words that people search for and and stuff like that. But I think we're kind of moving past that. And I'm really tired of everybody's stuff all looking the same. Yeah. And then also using chat GPT to write, you know, what your business offers and like do you measure up to that? That's a big, that's a big thing I have in my head because we're being taught use chat GPT to help you with SEO, you know, use AI to help you find keywords for SEO and things like that. Um, and so we're plugging all of those things into our websites, into our captions, to our, you know, text alt text for images, whatever. And it's like, okay, that all sounds really good.

SPEAKER_00

He's having a milk. It's totally fine. That's fine. Hey, dude. Say hi. He's having a fuss with dad. Dad brought him in. Go back to your train of thought because I had something to say.

SPEAKER_01

No, we're fine.

SPEAKER_00

No, we're fine. I lost my train of thought.

SPEAKER_01

It's cool. I know. Jack is just so cute. Don't apologize. Don't apologize. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02

Say hi. Hi. There you go.

SPEAKER_00

You were talking about your website copy. Sorry for the Jack distraction everyone on the podcast, but in real life. But uh you were talking about your website copy, which was good and interesting. And a whole other argument. Okay, I was gonna say timeless opposed to what, right? Because it's like I feel like that's like a keyword for photographers, but it's like time when like a bride's reading that, what's like the what's the opposite of synonym? What am Antonym? What is an antonym to timeless? Like what are they timeless as opposed to what like we date dated, but everything is gonna be dated at some point. You know, it's kind of is like the antonym of timeless, like trendy. I don't know. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, true. I don't know. They're not thinking they're like, I'm not looking for a trendy photographer.

SPEAKER_02

Here, buddy.

SPEAKER_00

They're not thinking I'm looking for a trendy photographer. So it's like that keyword to them is kind of like irrelevant. They're just like also being brainwashed into thinking that's what they need to look for when it doesn't really mean anything. I don't know. Yeah, my main problem with AI in general is that it's like weakening our brains. I know this is like weird, but I'm like, it's just making us not use critical thinking and a lot of things. I think, I think, you know, I don't want to get into like the deep logistics. This is why I was like nervous, is like I don't want to get into the deep logistics of how it's hurting our environment and all those things, obviously. Yeah. All obvious um things of you know the power that it's taking and the harm that it's causing to planet Earth, but also our brains of not having to be critical thinkers. And you know, sometimes I will honestly I use it occasionally, obviously, everyone is right now, but it's like getting a recipe is so different than sending into your phone and saying, feed me the words that I need to feed to people that are trying to hire me in reality that they aren't true to who you are. Yeah. So that's kind of the problem. I'm like, you're not using your like deep critical thinking of let me explain who I am and think of what is true to me that I can explain to someone I'm trying to sell a service to, and you're using a language model to do it for you.

SPEAKER_01

And then ChatGPT isn't a critical thinker either. It's pulling from other resources and whatever you're feeding it. So, like I joke that my Chat GPT is gonna tell me everything I want to hear. I could say, you know, that response actually sucked. And it would be like, oh my gosh, you're so right. I'm so sorry. Let me give you something else more pleasing to you.

SPEAKER_00

And I'm like, that's a little there's like horror stories of people that are using it for like therapy and mental health and chappy chat GPT giving it like such bad advice that they're that's scary, contemplating scary things for their lives and things like that that I've seen. And because it's telling you exactly what you want to hear. I mean, it's literally just a language model. So I'm like, if I need it for a breakfast casserole recipe, that's a lot different than I'm trying to rewrite my website to be able to find, you know, potential brides, things like that.

SPEAKER_01

So I think a good kind of compared to what you're talking about, Andrew was showing me, he was deciding what piece of gear to buy versus another piece of gear. And so he didn't want to read through all descriptions and stuff. So he fed it into, he uses Claude exclusively now, but he fed it into Claude and it was like, give me pros and cons, bullet points, what are the differences between this piece of gear and this piece of gear? And essentially the more expensive one uh or the knockoff one was exactly the same as the more expensive one, just made differently to avoid tariffs or something like that. But it was essentially the same thing, um, or they had to call it something different. And so we got the cheaper one and it was great and it works great. So I think that's a really responsible usage of it, or like what is a good platform to for me to house this information more like data driven instead of like having it be your emotional intelligence for you.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

That aspect of like getting to be creative of let me sit and think and write and brainstorm and it's just taking all of that away and it's making everyone sound the same. It's making everyone sound the same.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I guess my robot will actually like it. I was literally about to say that we're all just sitting in our comfy chairs floating around when yeah, Wally's trying to get our attention. 100%. It's kind of scary. It is kind of scary. Wow. I'm low key. I was telling Andrew, I'm like a doomsdayer deep, deep, deep down. Like deep down. Oh my gosh. Is it because you've been watching Paradise, which by the way, we just started watching it? It's definitely been on my brain because of that show. Yeah. Um and it and then everything that's happening. Yeah, we won't get into it. This is not a political podcast. But I think this is an important conversation to have for creatives, I think especially for photographers, because I think the initial response to AI was like, oh my gosh, people aren't gonna hire photographers anymore. But I don't think that's really the issue. I think people will always want their photos taken. Some people will utilize AI headshots or whatever. You know, people have to do what they have to do. But at the same time, the more we see AI and like things that look the same, people are gonna get tired of that. They're gonna, I mean, they're gonna get tired of it and they're gonna want something different. And I think I'm hopeful that uh as humanity, as is that the right word to use, as humankind, we want to get back to like in-person connection. And totally I think that's why your client experience matters so much and like in person and how you're writing your emails. I talk a little bit in my workflows episode about automating some things, but like go in, like bold something red in your automated email, like insert something personal here.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

All the stuff that you're repeating every single time, automate that stuff, but then also connect with the actual person and don't just do like an AI summary and then copy paste. Actually use your own words, type like you're texting to a friend. I think that's really refreshing to see. Actually, typing out the copy on your website. If you're not a long-winded person, there's no reason to write a long-winded blurb on your website on your about page, or you don't even have to have an about page. You know, let it be authentic.

SPEAKER_00

I'm curious from your perspective, what creative businesses, like from a creative entrepreneur standpoint, could be exiled because of AI. Because I don't think, and just like a side note, I I do think that people are always going to want that human connection when getting their photos done. Like totally. But when you said the headshots, I was like, I totally forgot when that was a thing. And people were using that like Gemini app to do like a professional headshot situation. Do you remember that? And like everyone was having like the same blazer on and was looking in the photography world, we call it the candle, the candle wax skin. Yeah. Well, of the edit where it's you know, no texture and no clarity. Oh my gosh. And that's what they were all looking like. But I'm like, what indust not industries in the creative industry?

SPEAKER_01

What jobs, what positions do you think are gonna be canceled by AI in the I think I was worried about people that write copy at first, but now I'm like, that's gonna be even more necessary, like people that write copy for captions or websites or things like that. And then I also think app developers, Andrew knows more about this than I do, but there are non-Chat GPT, non-clawed powered platforms that are still AI because AI is integrated into almost everything now. Like, will you build this app for me? These are the specs. This is everything that it needs to do. Give me a draft of what this would look like. And then you can go in and edit code and things like that, or it can rewrite code for you. So I think apps are super easy to develop right now. So I think that is that's probably going to I think I'll tell you who I think is gonna thrive is like individual business owners, entrepreneurs, truly. Yes, uh all the middle middle management tasks that we don't want to do and can automate can go away, but we also have to be really careful if we're just copy pasting, I think is the thing. Like we're able to streamline more, but at the same time, you still have to have your human touch on it. You can't just neglect it completely. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

I'm tired of, I know we talked about this in um our first year files official make it official and branding episode, which was the first one, but I'm worried about my graphic designer friends.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, yes, but let me tell you, let me tell you, I found some I was going through because I really want to do like true rebrand logo, everything for Grace Kotcha photography. I like changed my fonts and did uh yeah, I I didn't really do a full full thing when I got my pictures done, but I want to. And so obviously I was on Pinterest and I was feeling very inspired, and I was not going to use what Claude was gonna give me, but I was curious. So I plugged in all of my inspo, the cute little thin line pencil drawn graphics, plugged them into Claude, and I was like, hey, this is my brand and name, this is the inspiration. Uh spit something out for me, essentially. Do you know it was the ugliest thing? It was so like basically stick figure graphics and the most generic fonts, nothing like what I plugged in. And so I think AI is still AI is still learning a lot. And granted, it's clawed, so it's probably not yeah. The version I have is probably not meant for graphics, like if there even is something, but it even told me I was like, this kind of looks crazy. I literally said back, this looks real crazy. Can we do better? I was I literally was like, Can we do better? And it basically told me you're gonna need a person to do this for you. Like this has limitations, and so it did kind of redirect me back to a person to get okay, it was basically acknowledging, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

However, devil's advocate, because okay, you obviously, yeah, I'm like letting be the devil on your shoulder because you're obviously a creative and have high standards and know exactly what you're wanting. But those people that don't, Mrs. So and so that's doing dog groom grooming in small town Oklahoma, who's going to utilize it for I need a logo for my poop and scoop dog grooming business. And you know what I mean. You know what I mean. Yeah. They don't have the creative background to be able to, you know, kind of you had all the inspo. You had like a vision in mind. And these are the people like, let me just get a logo and like get my Facebook page up and running. So me mom down the road can get her shitsu in for an appointment. But you know what I mean? And I think it's gonna be those people that like utilize chat for for sure. Chat be chat being his informal name, chat GPT being the full name, chat, for you know, like an AI slump type of logo or flyer for their come and go dog shot, dog vaccines experience or whatever. So I do worry about that because I do feel like everyone, everyone knows someone that is a graphic designer. Everyone has a I think everyone knows someone that can do something like that, even if you are, you know, I don't want to a boomer running a business for the first time and your granddaughter uses Canva. But it's I think that aspect of it is being eliminated, which is yeah, which is a little bit rough.

SPEAKER_01

So that that's my no, that's I love it. And I'm gonna like kind of touch on that too, but with the what were you saying, the poop scooping something?

SPEAKER_00

I said a pooping scooper in a small town alcohol.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. That person isn't necessarily looking for a luxury experience, and so uh what I take from that is like the person is still the luxury experience, you know? So you're right. Chat GPT is easier, but at the end of the day, which is the whole point of this episode, Chad GPT AI is still anyway. Yeah, yeah, that's it's still, you know, everybody's doing it, and so yeah, I think human interaction is gonna become like a hot commodity and a luxury, which is which is crazy to even say I cannot believe we're having this conversation right now. We're always having a conversation. True.

SPEAKER_00

Every day, multiple times a day, every day we're having like a hundred different conversations at a time. No, that's that's totally a good point. And that's that's becoming the issue because if you are a luxury service provider, a creative entrepreneur, and you're emphasizing, I'm a real person. I'm me. Yeah. If you hire me to shoot your wedding, it's me. I'm showing up me, the girl you talked to the phone with, the girl you emailed, and I'm not using Chat GPT to write my emails, say my say what I need to say. And it's not going to be chat GPT that shows up on your wedding day to serve real photos through FaceTune. Like you're and I'm not using and honestly, another episode for another day, and this won't matter to anyone that's even, I mean, other than photographers. I I'm struggling even with the AI tools for culling. For those of you that aren't photographers that listen, a culling software is something that goes through all your photos for you and will remove. Selects like the best ones, or yeah. Yes, yeah. It'll select the best, it'll remove the duplicates, the photos that are deemed not good enough to be in the set. And I've tried two now. I've tried two, and I'm very much so struggling with taking that aspect out because I can see art and joy in a moment in a photo that is maybe a little bit out of focus or um underexposed or overexposed, and I'm still able to edit it in a way that I believe is a deliverable for my client, for my bride that I'm seeing. And um I I know I feel like I age myself on this podcast all the time, seriously, but I'm just not ready for AI to um take that part out of my system because I emphasize how every photo is taken by me and my team. Every photo is edited by me. I look through every photo myself, hand edit every single photo myself, and that's why it takes the time it does. But that's what you're paying for is this client experience and this personal experience. I'm not referring to do you use photo mechanics or no?

SPEAKER_01

I use narrative. I want to try shootproof because you can basically select like how intense the AI is is helping Cole. Yeah. But yeah, I use narrative and I will say I'm gonna shout out another podcast. Is that okay? Go ahead. Yeah. So flame it out. Obviously, AI isn't perfect, but challenges like all of the things you're saying too, because uh Lindsay on there, she uses photo mechanics and she has for years because she already has it downloaded or whatever.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I I think you just I also use photo mechanic occasionally, yeah. But it this the surface of it, like the interface of it looks kind of just like Photoshop or Illustrator. Yeah. And sometimes I use it, sometimes I don't, depending on what I'm doing, because it it kind of works the same. Like in Lightroom, if you you know do like a quick collection or whatever, you can like click, clap through and just like delete, delete, delete, go through. And sometimes I'll call it that way and then edit it. But Photo McKay kind of does the same thing where it just like pulls all the photos and you can like scroll through and delete and it kind of groups them for you, but it does a select for you. You can set it to do all different things, but that's kind of how I utilize it. And I have other photographer friends that do it that way, so it just depends on if I'm in a mood of doing like a two-step process or just one step, just whatever I'm in the mood for.

SPEAKER_01

A calling software is just however you're using it. Like, I have narrative and I've tried to let it do the AI select, and I always have to add more. Like I'll go through and five-star the ones that I actually also like, like blurry ones or whatever. Um, so it's not perfect. However, even if I wasn't doing that, it just works faster than going through your finder and your like or deleting cards off or deleting photos off of an SD card or off of a hard drive. Like, it just is faster. So whatever you use, just know it's gonna be more efficient than just like deleting files from wherever they were originally recorded from. It just works way faster.

SPEAKER_00

Um, sorry, that's that was No, that was like a whole trail, but we always yeah, that was a freebie for our photographer friends. Um, here's my question to you in regards to artificial intelligence, because I know we talked about Chat GBT and Claude and ChatGBT is now running ads, which is another side note. Apparently, it's not going to be watering down what you're reading on Chat GBT, but you know, I've yet to believe it. And I don't use it enough to kind of like experience it in that way. But my question, my question for you, and I want you to answer for yourself, but like for our listeners, how do you think get that yon back in your head and swallow it down?

SPEAKER_01

I know there's my 200 milligrams of my Alani. Where is that?

SPEAKER_00

Drinking an Alani and you yawned my question. Okay, sorry. I'm kidding. So my question, really, I'm like back to my question, you made me lose my train of thought with your yawn. Is taking a step back, how do you think creative entrepreneurs should be utilizing AI? And how do you think we shouldn't be? Summarized. From rural perspective. So luckily we say we're not professionals, we're not screaming from a mountaintop, we're not on a pedestal, we're on a little bit of a soapbox, but we're not higher than, we're not greater than, we're not holier than thou. We're just speaking from our experience, what we're seeing in the industry and our experience as creative entrepreneurs. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01

I don't think we should be copying and pasting copy for any of our professional work, whether that be a brand guide, a brand guide, public-facing marketing. So your website, your social media, even if you have think you have trained Chat GPT by saying, remember, this is my voice. This is what I want you to sound like. I don't know how many times I've had to tell Chat GPT, I don't like the dashes, don't ever use them again. And then when they come back, they always come back. And you know, with that also spit out a response for me yesterday. I don't even remember what I was talking about. Spit out one word in Hebrew. Like it had spelled it out and Hebrew lettering random fluke. And I was like, I copy and pasted that back, and I was like, what is this? And it was basically like, oh yeah, what like tech issues, whatever. I'm like, that's weird. That's weird. So don't copy and paste. Scary, yeah, scary. Don't copy and paste the dashes, the formatting. I'm in online school right now, and they're blasting announcement posts with reminder. These are the AI guidelines, and they actually lay out, they know, they know that people are using for sure. They know what people are sure. And so there are guidelines, there are ways that even professors can monitor whether something has been copy and pasted, what the typing pattern, what like there's a ton of stuff that is monitored because the spacing is different, the grammar is different, it's just like don't copy and paste. I guess that's that's my brief summary. Yeah, you have to insert your own voice. You can have it make an outline for you. I'll even be so candid as to say for this podcast when Alex and I were first recording our honestly first handful of podcasts. We had to make scripts. We've never done this before. We had to make scripts, and yeah, we needed talking points. We literally have four talking points for this episode, and you know what? We're not on them.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we're so off of them. Right, but that's normal human conversation.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, no, we would definitely have to utilize. We definitely had to utilize because we, you know, need to. When we get Titan, we can get to talking. You know about that. You know about that. So it's like we need to, we need to know a little way in the plane, like you know, putting into chat of this is what we're trying to portray. This is our background and experience in this, this is where we want to start and this is where we want to end, and kind of give us the talking points in between. And as we've gotten further into this podcast, we've honed it in to less than one page of four. This one I'm currently looking at has four talking points specifically. But in my opinion, as a photographer, as a creative entrepreneur, if you can use your name and someone else's name interchangeably, meaning like she reminds me of blank, or this photographer and this photographer are saying the same thing, this is a timeless photographer and this is also a timeless photographer. If you can be interchangeable with someone else, you're using AI in the wrong way. I think if you can use it as a rough craft, if you can use it as if you have to use it as like a brainstorming tool, uh, if you get less than three hours of sleep a night and have too much caffeine and just need a little bit of help of getting from point A to point B without breaking down in tears in the middle. Yep. Then I think you can use it in that aspect. But for me, I and I know I've talked about this, but do people still use the word Riz?

SPEAKER_02

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00

So if you use it, then we'll all know you're not using Chat GPT. Oh, like I was about to use it. I was about to use it because I think I am a very charismatic, goofy, funny girl, and I think AI literally sucks the humor out of my soul.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. Well, I've told you here, so okay, full transparency. Alex does our social media for Celeste podcast. Yay, and I literally and well, obviously her own photography too, but I read her captions and I'm like, this is so refreshing. Well, one, because I know how Alex talks. I know how Alex talks, and when I'm reading it, I can literally hear you saying it. And it's so fun to me.

SPEAKER_00

So podcast social media is this podcast specifically, has been like my creative outlet of getting to bring my experience and the enjoyment of what I do and my enjoyment with my friendship with you. And you know, obviously we're business partners, but beyond that, we're friends. And so it's like all of that wrapped together. This has been really fun. And so I feel like I can break down the barrier of wisdom and like overthinking my photography Instagram, which I do, you know, my social media for my business is different than this because, you know, we're not running it as a business, we're running it as hopefully one day it will be a huge business, you know, obviously. But it's like I feel like I'm able to bring my personal touch into our social media. And what I'm saying in this podcast is what I, you know, what I love to do. Um so thank you for saying that. Yes, I am running it and I'm not using AI for any of the graphics or any of the captions because I'm just speaking. I do use voice text a lot. You know I do that. Like I I know we do our voice memos, but like I do the thing like greenies do, where you're like you click the little microphone button and you go, Good morning. Two new episodes have brain release exclamation point. Because I think my captions are better when they come from my heart, and so when I can speak them, it's better. And then I'll edit them from there. So I'm my own personal chat GPT. I'm my own personal.

SPEAKER_01

No, I I again I lost my train of thought. Yeah, I know. I keep saying you were talking about the podcast. So good though. Oh, yeah, you just sound like you, and it's so refreshing. Um you kind of touched on what we should be using chat GPT for outlines. Another thing that we will say, I'm pretty sure I have undiagnosed ADHD. For sure you do. But like for sure you do, but obviously so do I. I'll try to have it. It'll diagnose you.

SPEAKER_02

It will tell me. It'll diagnose you.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So I and I'm also very multi-passionate. And so in my head, I always have lots of projects, things I want to start. And to be honest, like I use my husband as a sounding board first because he has real life experience, he's done a lot of different things, and he'll tell me if I'm in over my head. However, Pat GPT will always also say those things to me if I'm doing too much. Let's look at this realistically. I'll get that sometimes from chat. But also, like if you are someone like me, what regardless of whether you're a photographer or not, if you are multi-passionate and you have a hard time connecting the things that you're you want to, uh, something I have had chat help me with is kind of create my ecosystem of all of the projects that I want to do and how they can be connected and helping me create funnels, which uh again, I'm I'm going to school for marketing. So I know I'm I will be learning those things in time, but I also need to do them like in real life in this moment. And things that I'm not very good at are like email funnels or like uh sales funnels and things like that. So getting my crazy multi-passionate entrepreneur thoughts in order, I I I feed it all into I will dictate to chat. So I will do a voice dictation and just kind of talk randomly. And sometimes she'll interrupt me and I have to go, wait, I'm not done. And then it talks back to you if you do the voice dictation. But, anyways, so I will also use chat for that to kind of help me organize my thoughts because I don't, as a mom of babies, have the luxury to sit down for four hours uninterrupted with a pen and paper, um, or even have two hands to type on my phone.

SPEAKER_00

So that's what we'll be doing. Um so using it kind of what you're saying is kind of using it more as like an assistant and like less organize my thoughts. Yeah, an assistant. So using it as an assistant and a rough draft and not making it your personality and not copying and pasting.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, but you still know. You know, I still in the future would love to have an actual human assistant. I think that would be really great. And so chat does not replace the need for that. Right. It's just help and it doesn't make any decisions for me. Like I don't do whatever because chat GPT told me to. It's like if if chat GPT told you to jump off a bridge, would you? I think that's the gonna be the new saying.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe. I mean, I guess depending on like the argument it made, I guess. Just kidding. I'm like, obviously, you know I'm kidding, but I'm scared about like the listeners that don't know me so well, and I'm going, maybe might, my jump. Depends on the day and the circumstance, I guess. That's really food for thought. I am chomping it down.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm again gonna have to listen back to this one, us listening to our own episodes because we're conceited, ladies.

SPEAKER_00

No, we're like literally so self-absorbed, and also I do listen to every episode, and you know that. I listen to it before we launch it. I was gonna say one for posterity, yeah. Yes, and I'm like just gotta make sure, you know, I didn't overexpose myself like I exposed Montgomery's panty lines or laugh thereof, actually. No, she will love it, I swear. And like it's so it's such a it's a great example to don't take it out. Lack thereof panty lines, but I have to listen back to make sure I didn't go too go to cuckoo. And then also because it's totally what we talked about when we were recording The Art of Noticing, it's a pulse check and it's a heart check, and these are important conversations to have. And the times change, the trends change. We need to make sure that we're utilizing our tools in the best way, but that we're not using them in a way that's gonna harm your business in the long run. It's such a cool and you know, maybe cool is not the right word, but it's a hot button tool. And I do want to make sure that it's being utilized, but not overutilized, if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01

You don't want to lose your humanity in the process of trying to help your business. Yeah, so good. And wow, that was great. Honestly, we know kind of what we're gonna talk about on the next episode we record, and it's taking everything in me not to go, and this is how this connects to this. So until next time.

SPEAKER_00

Well, until next time, we're talking about a topic that could relate to this, and you'll learn when you listen to it. And that's all we're gonna say about it. Yep, come back for more later. Please keep listening. Thank you for listening. Thank you guys. Bye. Bye.